A former colleague of mine contacted me recently with a story that sparked my attention. I haven't done a deep dive as yet, will do later. In the 1990s he was working undercover in the drug squad and was privy to the everyday goings on and illicit exchange of speed, heroin, cocaine and pseudo base chemicals.(whileUwereSleepingx, Reddit)

Ron Iddles claims old crook, Alfred Hugh Gay named Norman Lee as Mr. Cruel. Alf stated to Ron that his friend Normie had confessed to killing Karmein Chan, and that he had been to his house and that it matched the description of Mr. Cruel’s detention house but none id this story stacks up . Coincidentally, it is Alfred Gay himself that has connections to every crime site location.

I saw a man standing there looking like he was possibly wearing overalls and then what looked like a spray jacket on the top. He had his back turned to me with his gun raised up in the air.

“That is just by way of introducing Alfie Gay and putting him in context. He was a major respected, armed robber, safecracker, and all-around sophisticated crook” (Rule)

Alfie Gay says to him “Would you like to know who Mr. Cruel was?”